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Post by orc72 on Apr 21, 2012 15:25:53 GMT -5
Well episode 3 introduced the momo of the series ^^
also advanced the plot some. I like where its going.
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Post by iziz on Apr 21, 2012 22:05:35 GMT -5
they actually release version where they put notes on the show. telling you info about the episodes!! xD that's where they said that appa was the last
and definitely was interesting. wonder how amon could remove benders powers... he did it way faster than aang did to ozai....
and cute lil paboo! guess that's why they named the team fire ferrets xD
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Post by Secondesign on Apr 21, 2012 22:31:08 GMT -5
So in essence, the show did indeed talk.
Assuming Aman actually did remove the ability or if it isn't just a more permanent chi block. Looks like we get to find out next week when he goes for the Avatar... unless she gets rescued before he touches her... Think Aman's little back story was legit?
Yupyup, upon seeing Paboo there at the beginning it was obvious that he was going to be the new Momo, even did some similar interacting between Paboo and Naga... I could imagine the cheering fans... lol
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Post by orc72 on Apr 22, 2012 14:12:07 GMT -5
those pop ups also say that Jet dies but noone accepts that as cannon =p I mean avatar extras only restated what was currently happening in the show with puns and random triva facts realted to real world stuff =p they probably were just made by a bunch of interns and had little to no involvement with the writers or creators of avatar.
yeah i was a little disapointed, not so much about how fast it was, but by how there was no super duper light show. I guess it might have to do with how passive anng was and how powerful ozai was due to the commet.
err..did i miss a part?..she got away and was back at the temple after saving the ferret brothers and amon said to let her go be a messenger..
his back story reminds me of jetts back story.. but i dunno. Knowing avatar villians not a chance. but i base that on how everyone in the last series was a liar. his story does seem very believeable, and is parrellel to the brothers back story of how they lost there parents to a fire bender (guess they are still the bad guys)
i was cheering for paboo when he hissed after naga roared.
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Post by Secondesign on Apr 22, 2012 18:09:20 GMT -5
They were put in by the writers...
No internal battle was disappointing, I mean... they could've had it for at least the leader of the Triple Threats, which is kind of why it makes you wonder if it was really removal or just a super chi block. That's in the preview of next week's episode lol. Which should give an idea if he really can because they'd have to do an internal light battle for those two!
That's what I was thinking, Aman's, Makko's and Jet's were all similar in that way with the fire nation killing their family members, specifically their parents. Now with Jet and Makko you knew it was true, but Aman's could easily have been a play on their emotions of the crowd and to get more people to go into the anti-bender group. Fire is definitely still on top of who is considered bad... which makes it interesting that Makko is fire and Korra loves to use fire. Also interesting is that the one anti-bender speaker that had the pamphlets looks like he's fire tribe and that the anti-benders love those electricity sticks... and electricity is a fire nation thing and the only known chi blocker was Ty Lee and she was fire nation. Of course that last bit any tribe could probably learn to be a chi blocker if they trained. And of course Aman is indeed taking the hate/anger at fire and turning it against all benders.
So... if Aman can remove bending... will Korra get a special ability to give bending? xD
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Post by iziz on Apr 22, 2012 20:29:56 GMT -5
i thought they were bits of info that came from those informational books that they release.
and dunno about Amon's powers. guess we'll have to wait and see. i wonder how it would work if he does try it on korra... which looks like it will next week... and lol i was also wondering about that... if the avatar's powers to remove could also be changed to give bending abilities.
i think his back story is probably a lie, or at least not the whole truth. weren't there some characters in the first series that also lied about what happened to them go gain sympathy?
indeed looks like he's taking the anger towards firebenders and using it against all benders. tho, the gangs like the triple threats probably help his cause.
(in Makko's case, he was a bender hurt by another bender. so, he knows it's just people abuse power, it doesn't matter if you're a bender or not...)
yeah, for hating bending... why are they using electricity sticks? dunno... something seems off about aman's real plan.... something more sinister than his "equality"
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Post by Secondesign on Apr 22, 2012 21:26:51 GMT -5
Yeah, there could be some truth in Aman's story, like his face could actually have been burned, but not because fire benders killed his family. Could've been gang wars or part of the end of the 100 year war or anything. Don't know how old Aman is. Uhh... hmm. I know Zhou lied. Can't think of anyone who did it to gain sympathy though.
Triple Threats certainly do, because like their name, it's all three of the readily available bending types. The Ad-Ni-Kai's are probably all fire benders, can't say for the other gangs.
Indeed, would've been interesting to see what they would've done if Makko had taken the floor to give his story, and then revealed that he could bend. Bending doesn't make one bad, some take it and use it to help them do bad things... abusing their power. And some of the benders in those gangs are like Bo Lin. Just trying to get by using the skills he has, and are naive enough to think it won't mean doing any harm to anyone else.
Elecrticity sticks, chi blocking... skills they can use on the normal people just as effectively as the benders... seems to me like Aman just wants to replace the benders with his own style of "benders". Hmm... he probably doesn't even want to get rid of bending, but turn it into forced labor, seeing as how it is fire benders electricity in the power plants... if he takes power, all fire benders would probably be forced into such routes, earth into making coal and such, dunno what water would be forced to do.
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Post by orc72 on Apr 23, 2012 18:54:25 GMT -5
neat, we all speculate differnt writters for the xtras cause they never said who wrote them =p good ol cannon material there
I dunno..Anng and Ozai i can see them both haveing strong connections with the spiritual side. Just random thugs im not to sure about. Then again he could lightning bend..then again..apperntly everyone can lightning bend now which is kinda weird why only three people could lightning bend in the first series..all but one of which died.. Also part of the reason there was so much struggle coulda been anngs passiveness. I dont think he was trying too hard to take it away due to him being passivist. Also Also, its possible he coulda chii blocked his way to resist before taking his bending away. He did get him in a weird position to take the bending away.
Azula lied for sympathy.The blood bender lied for manipulation..there were quite a few little characters who lied in one way or another that i cant remember..
electricity sticks and there other batman est gadgets are probably there only means to compete with the benders. Its much easier to teach someone how to wack someone with a stick to disable them then it is to teach them pressure points to block there chi. I mean, i havent seen any guns or anyhthing yet, so i dont imagine they have anything like that, and every bending type can stop arrows. Its a kid show so if they used swords and other melee weapons it would get a higher rating if they were effective with them. Electricity sticks is the easiest way for them to go =p
im sure at some point makko will share his bending story =p but probably not till the climax of the season.
water can generate electricity. Flowing water to spin a wind mill to generate power. Also they can move steam with water. Plus people gotta eat, gotta grow plants.
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Post by iziz on Apr 23, 2012 21:28:06 GMT -5
i think some other characters did, but can't think of anyone more specific. and Azula was good at lying... even Toph couldn't tell yeah, that's how Mako was at first. he didn't realize what the gang did at first. that's probably why he quit and told bo lin to stay away. yeah... we don't like you imposing on us... but it's ok for us to impose on you!! the show used to have arrows and swords in it tho!! the yu-yan archers were good with them. and jet was an expert with his.
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Post by Secondesign on Apr 23, 2012 22:06:12 GMT -5
If you want to go that route, Oppi/Oogies existance has yet to be explained by in story characters so... yeah.
Those were book 2 and 3 characters... they did lie and manipulate though.
I disagree, Aang would've been trying his hardest to take away Ozai's bending because it was the one way he could remain true to his monk passive teachings without having to fight to kill Ozai.
Eh, maybe, but I think Aman was really just putting the leader of the triple threats into an arm lock so he couldn't move. Didn't actually see him do any chi blocking moves, he just moved in, dodged, manuevered and caught the guy up, locked him so he couldn't move, and grabbed his head. Which could just have been a big chi block so that it'd be hard to ever bend again or would take years, or it could've been a removal. It would've been nice to have seen a fancy light battle with at least the leader who would've been the strongest of the bunch, just to prove to the watchers that he was really removing the ability as we'd seen Aang do it. Because they didn't, there is room for doubt. That's why I figure in the next episode, Aman and Korra will have one.
As for Ozai being spirit world connected... I'd say not so much. His only concern for spirit world was like Zhou's, in how they could use and abuse it and dominate it for their victory. Also, I think lightning bending was originally reserved to the royal family, wherein the only ones that did it were royals, Iroh, Azula, and Ozai, and eventually Zuko probably mastered it from Iroh and then decided to make the technique public.
Indeed, you've forgotten how many swords were in the show. Sokka had a water tribe sword, a machete, and eventually that one special sword in book 3. The two earth tribe in the canyon episode of book 2 both used swords, one the half moon and the other the elegant straightsword. The blue spirit used swords as well. So yeah... kinda moot there.
Indeed, seemed to be what Makko implied.
Yeah, that's probably what water benders would end up doing, redirecting rivers, powering water turbines, possibly growing plants..
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Post by orc72 on Apr 24, 2012 12:44:39 GMT -5
Jets swords were more hooks, and he only used them to trip people. They have the batman style grappling ropes which work much better for that. As for other swords, if they were to cut off a benders arm and take away there bending, sure it would be effective but the shows rating would go up =p also its hard to conceal a sword. In a city walking around as a secret organization you want to be somewhat stealthy when they have special force of metal spidermen around, so carrying around swords wouldnt be as easy and common as it was in the first series. Also, someone is going to notice a person dieing, even off screen, in a city enviroment. Random generic solider b dieing in battle during war time isnt that big a deal. Joe the fish market man dieing to sword wound in a time of peace causes problems for the story, and is also more emotional. Series 1, they killed people left and right, everyone was effected by the war, it was ok to have people killed as long as its not bloody and preferably offscreen to keep rating down. This series it will cause problems. Reagurdless, basically the writters needed a weapon that could stop benders, without doing visible bloody harm to them, as well as be easily concealed and useable in 1920s urban enviroments. Stun batons and other batmen tech is the easiest way to go =p Also, Its hard to use a bow and arrow in tight allys in a city, were an earth bender can just throw up a wall and block it, or a water bender can throw up ice to stop it, or a fire bender can just burn them up before they get to you. The archers only got anng cause he was in a large open area and they far far outnumbered him. Just think if anng was in a city against the archers. First arrow fired, anng dodges it, ducks inside a building. Suddenly the archers either have to go inside the building to get him in which case fight him in close combat, or wait and hope he comes out and there isnt some sorta back door or other way out of the building. Its alot differnt when the hundreds of archers can chase him threw an open island where he has no cover to hide in.
werent we talking about bad guys in general lieing?...
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Post by iziz on Apr 24, 2012 19:50:19 GMT -5
well both jet and blue spirit used swords effectively and didn't kill anyone, so if they wanted they could do it for this series too! and don't see how the big sticks would be easier to hide than a sword? the stun batons seem more like their attempt to bend after all the equalists seem to know the special martial arts chi blocking techniques just fine. that was their real weapon. and they had plenty of other choices, but chose to develop shock sticks speaking of which... where were the police during all this? they showed up almost immediately for korra's first incident. but... there was a whole bunch of fighting going on with the equalists. first attacking the gang headquarters... and then korra and mako trying to follow them.. and then after the rally
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Post by Secondesign on Apr 24, 2012 21:46:51 GMT -5
Um, other problem here is that this series is intended for older audiences, hence why the characters are in their late teens, 16-18. Also, batman and the super heroes shoes have their rockets, guns, and such.
Indeed, the anti-benders could've used Jet like hookswords or Mai's type weapons. And I don't think the anti-benders are all that hidden, nor do the gangs seem to be. They just avoid open violence in the day for the most part. Gangs must like to get in and out quick or just don't expect someone to fight back, which makes sense going after non-benders. So while they may be kind of Batman like, what I was saying is that for the anti-benders, it is their own kind of bending. Just like Batmans gadgets and physical skills are his super powers. The curiosity is that they use elecrticity, which has more links to Fire Tribe.
Does seem odd that there were no police at neither the gangs hideout for the encounter there seeing their place pretty messed up. Maybe there are districts the police don't patrol... or they are lax at night. Interesting to note is that the police did seem to have armor protection at the common target areas the chi blockers go for.
Hmm, here's an interesting thought... perhaps Amon's face isn't burned, but stolen by Koh. Of course, problem here is that Amon does seem to have eyes...
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Post by iziz on Apr 28, 2012 15:55:21 GMT -5
yeah, think that since a lot of their younger audience grew up, they wanted to make sure to keep them interested
dunno. from this episode it seemed like they have night watch still. :S maybe they are scared of Amon too....
lol, but how'd he get to the spirit world?!
and... now that he didn't take Korra's bending away... wonder if he was bluffing.... but of course his reasoning why he didn't also makes sense too. wouldn't want to get the main nations involved in his mess xD
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Post by Secondesign on Apr 28, 2012 22:20:59 GMT -5
Hmm, well, they said they had police out at night, but didn't show them. Did see their new task force, which Korra got tricked and trapped in to... lol Her and media... definitely shouldn't go together. She has, "I'm not as amazing as Aang" issues... which is funny, because the writers probably are wondering just how much fans will like seeing a different Avatar too. Of course, maybe the police are afraid of the anti-benders as well... so they hid in their air balloons, sure didn't do Korra any good. Anti-benders could easily have gotten her off however they all managed to get on... and the ones we briefly saw in that flash of the past seemed to have similar armor, but still these ones are more heavily armored, making them more protected against the chi blockers. Maybe Amon has people in the emergency phone office or they do fake or stage attacks elsewhere to distract the police when they do their work, having someone on the inside seems likely as the ones answering the police calls probably doesn't have to be a bender. Not sure about their phone system though. Or if they have one, but the police in first episode said Korra should've called them so...
No idea how he would, think only the Avatar can go into it so... I dunno. Maybe not since Koh stole that one Avatar's wife face. Could be Koh can access the real world too though. *shrug*
Yeah, it's still up in the air as to whether or not he actually can or not. I mean, why not take out the Avatar right then and there, or rather, why not start to remove her bending and then stop? That would keep her from being a martyr, discourage her from facing the anti-benders, and prove once and for all his power. He certainly wouldn't have wanted to harm her because then all the benders would've been outraged, along with all the Tribes and Nations. And it's likely this problem isn't really felt anywhere else, so there's probably strong bender support and love amongst the individual nations, just as they had in the past working side by side in their societies. The only blame they might have would be Fire Nation, but Amon is against all so his goal has to be to get control of Republic City and establish a non-bender nation... which then might attack the others once they'd built up enough. Taking Republic City alone would get the other Nations to attack, but they'd be wary and Amon would have time to prepare... and hostages. Getting and harming the Avatar and getting their attention early would hamper his plans because they'd send more benders to help put down the anti-benders. Right now its Republic City's problem, let their benders and the Avatar take care of it.
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